To Bribe Or Not To – That Is The Question!

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17 Responses to “To Bribe Or Not To – That Is The Question!”

  1. Sharique Says:

    Well the thing is people don’t the time and enthusiasm to stand for justice. They want to get things done quickly, as was you case with IT officer. People don’t mind parting away with a small amount. But the real burden of bribe comes to the poor. For us the amount might be meagre but for them it is a big ask. We not only commit the moral crime by paying bribe but we also make life a hell for those who cannot afford!

    BTW i have heard that people in Indonessia are honest corrupts :P..they at least do the work they are bribed for! In India who aren’t even sure whether your job will be done or not. I have had an ordeal with my passport..may be i will write something about it 😀

  2. silkboard Says:

    Since it saves us time, and since most of us are okay not complaining about it, may be there is no problem here. Thus, I argue.

    If we really hated bribery and corruption so much, we would be spending personal time to do something about it. Most of us don’t. So that tells me, most of us don’t mind these acts of corruption.

    How does that sound!? Well, that logic has a flaw. Like Sharique said. These amounts are trivial for some, substantial for many.

    But still, it is more than a rich poor thing. We all have hands and mouths. And it is not the age of Mangal Pandey that you will get shot if you raise your hand or voice against the Babus.

    Collective cowardice, and our selfish way of leading lives. Thats what I put it down to. And it shows up everywhere, not just in these acts of bribery and corruption.

  3. Indiamusing Says:

    Silkboard: bowing to you sir. Couldnt have put it better. “Collective cowardice”. It might not be collective actually come to think of it. Its still individual cowardice. No?

  4. Polite Indian Says:

    Sharique,
    The burden comes on the poor but I don’t think it is a rich vs poor thing. Even the rich have to pay bribe. It may not pinch them that much though.
    And I have heard about honest corrupts in china as well.

    silkboard
    You are right in concluding that we don’t mind. In fact even before we go to the office we almost make up our minds that we would have to pay the bribe.
    Collective cowardice as you say could be the reason but as indiamusing points out ultimately it is individual cowardice. But what as I pointed out that given the time some people might fight it out but most do not have the time to do so.
    Given the pathetic state of implementation of anti corruption laws, people have very little reason to stand up. If one complains against an erring officer, the anti corruption squad doesn’t do anything and what ends up happening is that the guy who complains ends up to be the biggest loser.

    There is no support from any quarters to the guy who wants to fight corruption. I can see that RTI might help but even that can do only so much.

  5. India Up the Honesty Ladder « Polite Indian Says:

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  6. silkboard Says:

    PI/Indiamusing – It is more of collective cowardice because of this reason. We dont take these corrupt officials on because we fear other harassed individuals wont support us. No-one wants to be the first, we all want to follow. Hey, let another Gandhi-ji or dictator appear on the scene and then we will take the system on – I hear this so many times.

    But, in the confines of our own homes or surroundings, we all act like lions.

    today, ours is a country of coward followers. That is why I term this as collective cowardice.

  7. Polite Indian Says:

    silkboard,

    You may be right in terming collective cowardice.

    I think that this can be tackled well if some kind of movement is built against corruption. Till now one couldn’t do much at an individual level but RTI has changed that and not only that it is actually helping build a movement which might turn out to be good in the long run.

  8. Apun Ka Desh Says:

    People bribe because they are left with NO CHOICE or CHOICES are extremely difficult ones.

    The the system of bribes happen because it is actively promoted by creating artificial shortages.

  9. Apun Ka Desh Says:

    On “Collective Cowardice”:

    Catch up on the news. A Judge in Delhi has asked for her case to be withdrawn after 12 Years of fighting.

    Read here:
    http://www.ibnlive.com/news/when-a-judge-loses-faith-in-judiciary/26623-3.html

    If a judge cannot get justice – you can very well imagine the condition of oridnary folks. There is serious problem with a judiciary and large govt. bureaucracy. This requires urgent attention. If collective has to happen to change it – it wouldn’t happen on its own – it happens as always – as a result of leadership.

    Good Leadership is important.

  10. ARK Says:

    Unwittingly, I had to pay a bribe to a cop in India for unintentional jumping off road signal.
    Then I thought of comparing Tips with Bribe.Here is the list.
    Tips:
    Popular in USA
    Bribe:
    Very common in India,
    Tips:
    Paid after good service,
    Bribe:
    to be paid for promised service.
    Tips:
    Considered Legal
    Bribe:
    Illegal and can be jailed by ACB “If caught”.
    Tips:
    Popular at Hotels and tourist places,
    Bribe:
    Occurs at all levels, more in Govt. Depts.,
    It also occurs at highest level in politics and called “Kick backs”
    Tips:
    The customer pays to the frontend person.
    Bribe: genearlly, Govt. looses its money.
    Tips:
    do not create much black money
    Bribes:
    Create a lot of unaccounted money.
    Bribe:
    only ammount of 10 to 15% reached to the poor targeted and 90% goes
    to middlemen.

    I welcome some more comparisons and contrasts from your readers.

    Paid for good service

  11. Polite Indian Says:

    ARK,

    Pretty nice comparision. But I guess tips can be considered voluntary whereas bribe is not.

  12. sabrina Says:

    hhhhhh

  13. sabrina Says:

    Well.You all are talking about India. Let us talk about USA, where all desi comes here and bribg corruption form back home India/paksitan. I went to Indian Embassy in Chicago IL in 2001 to apply for a Indian Passport and took care of all requirment. I called them many times and no responce over the phone. I went to see Embacider and they refused to me saying that he is not there, after they found out reason and I found out he is in the office. FInally I went to see him and he asked me stupid question saying what proof do you have you are from India.They checked my police back ground form India but giving me a hard time. They keep on using differnt excuses not to give my passport till today and someone told me one ladey go ge tevery onc epassport to embassy but I have to pay her $1000 in her hand asw a bribe. WHy I should give my hard money earned if I fullfilled everything I supposed to. Few months latter I left to Atlanta, GA and called from there and long hold. And finally they told me I have to bring someone to themwho knows me from back home, then they told me if I am a citizen/Green card of USA and if I can’t proove that they can’t issue me passport, saying htey have to report to immigraqtion and basically they were aswking me to pay big amount not to report to immigration. If I have green card or not,fact is I am Indian citizen and Indian passport means or to whome to issue those are indian citizens, where is a question here about about American citizen as I wa snot asking USA passport from them.I send them certified mail and email few times but not received passport yet. These Indian criminals those are corruptd back home, exploite their own people and more money is less for them and suck their ownpeople bone mero till they die. I like to find out if there is any way to punish these corrupted Desi working for Indian embassy in USA chicago.

  14. sabrina Says:

    If you ave to give bribe take your camera and tape recod with you and after you given them bribe as no choice, report them to Govt agency with proof you have.

  15. Vinaya Singh Says:

    Dear Polite Indian,

    In my opinion, Bribe givers and Bribe takers, both must be slapped with shoes (Dono ko Jute marana chahiye) at public places. The givers are creating inconvenience to others and takers are getting habituated to it and smell blood everywhere. Once takers mouth blood, they never want to abandon it and givers are making an illegal work legal. There are many occasions where givers, with help of takers, are making the law of land their prostitutes. Development of a land is also being affected because of these bastards. Please excuse me for the unconstitutional world, but this comes from me because of my experiences with these anti-social elements. For more details read my paper at: vinay1340.wordpress.com.

    Thanks & Regards,
    Vinaya

  16. Vinaya Singh Says:

    Sabrina,

    I am not sure, if recording of bribing and reporting to government agency in India will work. What if, that agency also shares the bribe? The best way is to bring that tape to the eyes of public with the help of NGO or media.

    Thanks and Regards,
    Vinaya

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