Comments on: OBC Reservations – Supreme Court Verdict

By: Polite Indian Reservations based on a Deprivation Certificate and a Deprivation Score «

Mon, 14 May 2007 04:36:47 +0000

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By: srikanth varma

srikanth varma — Sun, 29 Apr 2007 21:44:51 +0000

I think the way current reservations were used should be clearly examined before starting with any more reservations.

First we should try to correct the way it is working.

I dont think giving reservations for OBC is incorrect,but will they be given to the needy person was the real question?

By: pegasus

pegasus — Thu, 19 Apr 2007 08:01:54 +0000

> What I meant by unlimited resource was that if there were enough seats to absorb every
> aspirant, there would have been no need for reservations.

yes but indian education system suffers from the curse of Eklavya… unless that is removed from out mentality .. things will not go any further

By: pegasus

pegasus — Thu, 19 Apr 2007 07:59:36 +0000

> he best thing would be to open up the field for private players and then you can see lot of
> other colleges/universities coming up.

It is open dude… haven’t u heard of ISB, Manipal, BITS, Nirma …….
Arjun Singh is even trying to allow FDI into the area….
refer the link embedded at the end of the post http://shocking.wordpress.com/2007/02/07/higher-education/

By: Vinaya Singh

Vinaya Singh — Wed, 18 Apr 2007 21:24:45 +0000

Dear Polite India,

I agree with you.

Thanks & Regards,
Vinaya

By: Polite Indian

Polite Indian — Wed, 18 Apr 2007 19:56:37 +0000

@Vinaya
I like the idea of deprivation certificate, that may work out well if the authorities are to implement it honestly. If you look at the Mandal criteria, the caste is one aspect and there are I believe 10 other criteria. If you club these together you can get a deprivation measure. The only thing that Mandal has not done is to grade the different criteria. Based on the 11 criteria by Mandal, one can give a deprivation certificate instead of an OBC certificate. This will change little on ground but will do one good thing and that is to take caste out from the fore front. If the criteria were graded then the creamy layer issue will also get settled.

@pegasus
It does not solve the problem. You are right about opening more institutes and universities. The best thing would be to open up the field for private players and then you can see lot of other colleges/universities coming up. But that is aside the reservation issue. What I meant by unlimited resource was that if there were enough seats to absorb every aspirant, there would have been no need for reservations.

@Ashok,
I never maintained that the creamy layer should get reservation. Regarding the chai shop, I think the chai-shop owner needed economic assistance more than he needed reservation. If there was a way for him to get the required money, he wouldn’t have faced the problem. The problem of deprivation is not merely economic, it is a huge social problem that in most cases manifests as economic problem. It is not correct to just equate reservation with an economic solution.

By: Ashok

Ashok — Wed, 18 Apr 2007 17:35:11 +0000

Deprivation – There are ways. Guess what – National Merit Scholarship, supported by GoI arm has a criteria. Several NGOs (including the one you help out) also have guidelines to define this. My point, SC/ST issue that you make out is not as simple and clear cut. I know a case where a person from so called higher caste runs a Chai Shop (on wheels), had to get his daughter off from school and his son ran the risk of missing out on joining IIT for M. Tech as they didnot have Rs 35,000 (or something like that) for deposit. In my opinion, he is more worthy of the help then kids of, say, an IAS officer who happens to be SC/ST.

By: pegasus

pegasus — Wed, 18 Apr 2007 01:12:57 +0000

dude if u want the country to continue to grow at 10% p.a. the no of college seats need to grow at 15% p.a. (5% for modernization of work)
opening up a college once in every decade does not solve the problem or does it?

By: Vinaya Singh

Vinaya Singh — Tue, 17 Apr 2007 21:22:44 +0000

…to further add to my previous comments, if we are not going to think towards the stopping of dirty politics of secularism and castiesm, I foresee that that day could not be far enough, when people of India may ask further division of India as:
1. Rajputistan
2. Brahamanistan
3. Garibistan
4. Muslimistan etc.
and there may erupt the uncontrollable insurgency.

Thanks & Regards,
Vinaya

By: Vinaya Singh

Vinaya Singh — Tue, 17 Apr 2007 18:17:59 +0000

Dear Polite India,

As I have mentioned before, we may want to consider economic backwardness with the degree of deprivation/underpreviledement of a person too. I have proposed a quota of reservations divided into categories based on degree of deprivation/underprivilegement (low, medium and highly underprivileged) of the poor. A person from forward class can never fall in highly underprivileged category. We may come up with some criteria to measure the deprivation. If you want to apply for a job, you need to fill the application form. This form needs a cast certificate, if you want to use the benefit of reservation. Instead of cast certification, we may want to ask for the deprivation certificate. This certificate can be provided by authority considering the applicant’s background and his/her living conditions in the several past years. The authority may use his/her cast background but no mention on paper and until the problem of castiesm is solved. This will not make the forward class poor (privileged) get benefited. Even, those SC/ST certificates (cast certificates) are available to candidates of forward classes too using the corrupt practices.

Also, my reference to rich and poor is not to make poor to as rich as industrialist but make poor bear day to day needs and become part of middle class families. For example, if we want to make two persons reach a destination at same time and one has bike and other nothing, we may want to arrange a bike for other to compete with the first one. And that’s what I wanted to say. We need reservation for underprivileged but slowly we also want to remove the reference to word cast for benefit of India in log term and achieve equality in its citizen.

…to be continued
Thanks & Regards,
Vinaya