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Excerpts from “Can Islam Reform Itself?”

Responding to your reasoning regarding lack of Muslims protesting against terrorism, I’m not sure how that computes.

What could be a bigger affront to Islam than some crazy Muslims doing acts of terrorism in the name of Islam? Shouldn’t that bring out people to protest? Surely, terrorism does more harm than cartoons.
Are OBL’s actions less of an insult to Islam than publishing of Danish cartoons and knighthood for Salman Rushdie? Acts of terrorism directly affect Muslims and how Muslims are perceived by the world. One bad apple and all that.

I am wondering why PI, Krish and Abdulla are not responding. Islam has undergone an intense scrutiny and it is found to be evil and unfit for 21st century.

It is the contention of Shri.Abdulla that the violent verses are event related; revealed at the time of war.Then the following will be the problem:
> why no muslim scholar of any repute categorically state that these verses have no eternal application, since they are event related. It is something like Bhagawad Gita; a call to Arjun to fight the war by the Lord and no Hindu understands today that it is a call to kill others.
> Ahemedias, a section of the muslims, actually believe this interpretation; but they are persecuted by both Sunni ans Shia muslims as apostates
> why such an understanding has not permeated to the majority of the muslims during the last 1200 years
> if Koraan is the last word of the omniscient Allah, why did he not be clear on this point, with an emphatic clarification

Sir, hence I suspect that your explanation is only taquiaa or deception in the war for world domination; did not Koraan say was is deceipt.

Now when ye meet in battle those who disbelieve, then it is smiting of the necks until, when ye have routed them, then making fast of bonds; and afterward either grace or ransom till the war lay down its burdens. That (is the ordinance). And if Allah willed He could have punished them (without you) but (thus it is ordained) that He may try some of you by means of others. And those who are slain in the way of Allah, He rendereth not their actions vain.
(Quran : Muhammed Chapter 38, Verse 04)

Again the background is Battle field.

Please look at the full context —-

Recite to them the truth of the story of the two sons of Adam. Behold! they each presented a sacrifice (to Allah): It was accepted from one, but not from the other. Said the latter: “Be sure I will slay thee.” “Surely,” said the former, “Allah doth accept of the sacrifice of those who are righteous.
“If thou dost stretch thy hand against me, to slay me, it is not for me to stretch my hand against thee to slay thee: for I do fear Allah, the cherisher of the worlds.
“For me, I intend to let thee draw on thyself my sin as well as thine, for thou wilt be among the companions of the fire, and that is the reward of those who do wrong.”
The (selfish) soul of the other led him to the murder of his brother: he murdered him, and became (himself) one of the lost ones.
Then Allah sent a raven, who scratched the ground, to show him how to hide the shame of his brother. “Woe is me!” said he; “Was I not even able to be as this raven, and to hide the shame of my brother?” then he became full of regrets-
On that account: We ordained for the Children of Israel that if any one slew a person – unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land – it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people. Then although there came to them Our messengers with clear signs, yet, even after that, many of them continued to commit excesses in the land.
The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter; ….

(Quran : Al Maeeda Chapter 5, Verses 27 – 33)

The background here is that if the people wage a war against the Allah and His Messenger. Any army general in the background of war doesn’t he command that if the soldiers find their enemy they ought to kill him? Furthermore, for those who don’t want to fight the following is stated in the next Verse.

Except for those who repent before they fall into your power: in that case, know that Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.
(Quran : Al Maeeda Chapter 5, Verses 34)

PI & Krish,

Why you are not responding

Thiagan

Krish says
“ Whether it is muslims or hindus or christians, their societies don’t apply the same yardstick everywhere. It is not just an issue associated with a single religion. Do you really want to know what every religion should do. They should shut their mouth up about other religions and concentrate on clearing the crap in one’s own religion. Only when people try to promote the “We are superior, you are inferior” mantra, trouble starts to brew.”

Thiagan retorts

Hinduism has always respected other faiths and has given an equal treatment. Jews and Parsis are the examples and there is a minor attrition with Christianity due to conversion. Christian record may have been violent; but reforms have taken place and the violence is historical; the religion now treats others in a fair manner.
But the problem of violence in Islam is theological and more intrinsic; see the verses:

They shall be slaughtered or crucified
Or their hands or feet shall alternately
Be struck off or they shall be banished
From the land…………………………..(5.37-38)
“ strike of their heads till ye have made
A great slaughter among them and of the
Rest make fast the fetters
And afterwards let there either be free dismissals or ransomings
Till the war hath laid down its burdens. Thus………(47.4-5)

How can we overlook a billion brain washed lunatics, quoting the above and similar verses and perpetrating violent acts of terror; intimidating others over trivia like Muhammed cartoons; inundating peaceful societies like Sweden with rapes, plunders, thefts etc; manipulating democracies by disproportionate increase of their numbers; causing enormous strain on well intentioned welfare states by being unproductive; enslaving their women, with purdha, female genital manipulation, honour killings, gang rapes etc and in short by indulging in barbarity. No civilised society can look the other way, unless they want to become dhimmies in their own country. Krish may be comfortable being a dhimmy, other are not.